caused by, say, steroids. >> uh-huh. >> john: it goes from acne and testicle shrinkage to diabetes, diarrhea, kidney damage, death. >> i don't disagree with what you're saying. that's already happened. nothing gets m made better or safer by saying this is completely illegal so the only people it will be available to are people who are risk takers who do it in the shadow of darkness. >> john: if it were legal, there would be sports that would say none of this, some would say yes, you can do it. we'd have guidelines, we'd have choices, it would be out in the open and it would be safer. >> there are already cases of that. for instance, body building which is one of the sports that really kind of main lined steroid use at the beginning. there's a natural circuit and an enhanced circuit, and you know, that way audiences can choose and athletes can choose. generally speaking, the missourir choices people have, the better we all are. >> john: thank you, nick gillespie, of reason magazine.